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The Astrology of 2012
January, 2012
Regina Meredith: With all the buzz surrounding the year 2012, I decided to check in with our wise woman astrologer, Jessica Murray, once again. Jessica is not a predictive astrologer; rather she evaluates the overall trends that are set into motion under the larger astrological alignments. In this sense, 2012 has some major alignments that would put it along side the Mayan and Hopi calendars in the profundity of the times.
Regina Meredith: Jessica, it’s so good to see you. I mean I saw you in 2010 and I saw you before that. This is the first time in 2011, and here we are in the last few days of the year. And, I thought we’d start out by talking about—just for a couple minutes because I know we have a lot to talk about in 2012—in 2011, what were some of the hallmarks that you were expecting at the beginning of the year and what did you actually see happen?
Jessica Murray: It’s so funny because I just re-read this woman who asked me to do a little rundown of the year to come, every year, and it’s on the web and, of course, I always qualify that I don’t do predictions I just am in the kind of astrology that looks at trends and energy streams that could go any number of ways depending on the consciousness of the person, of the group. But, I still saw what every astrologer saw, which was that Uranus in the sky, which is the planet of revolution and abrupt disruption, and Pluto in the sky, which is the planet of breakdown, destruction, crunching down to bare bones so that something else can be born, we’ve all known for years that these two planets were going to be in this acute angle called a square, 90 degrees apart, and so everyone was talking about—all astrologers—were talking about governmental systems were going to be threatened in terms of their verticality.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, this is what Capricorn, the sign Pluto is in, is really about, is the type of authoritative system that goes in a ladder; vertical, top down. So, you can think of patriarchy does that, and the kind of corporate structures that we assume is the only way to manage things. They do that. The vertical type of managing people and society, Capricorn was going be abruptly challenged by forces. And, Uranus is in Aries, the sign of activism.
Regina Meredith: Mmmm.
Jessica Murray: And then we’ve got, right at the Autumn Equinox, when the square was tipped off; astrologers have been waiting for it. You know the progressive movement had been waiting for it; the Left had been waiting for it. The one-percenter’s had been dreading it. And it all came about even to the point of the Occupy Wall Street people making a very stringent point about they were cutting down the verticality to horizontality.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: With their wonderful general assemblies.
Regina Meredith: A very literal response to the times.
Jessica Murray: Human mic.
Regina Meredith: Yeah.
Jessica Murray: And they talked about it in terms of horizontalism. So, that—it was so delightful to see something erupt that cleaves so tightly to the symbolism in the sky.
Regina Meredith: Yes, yes.
Jessica Murray: There’s another thing going on and that is; you and I sat together right when Pluto went into Capricorn, and astrologers were talking about the banking system is going to show its colors.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: It’s different than a straight collapse. A collapse was of—really of denial. It’s not that it just started, that Wall Street just started to do those tricks in 2008. But what happened was it broke through the crust of public awareness. And, we knew that a certain number of years after that was going to be the next step for that to happen.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And, of course, 2011 set it up for the reasons I won’t bore you with in terms of specific aspects in the sky. And, 2012 will be the next radical upping of the ante about the banks, about monetary systems.
Regina Meredith: So, that in a nutshell, we have seen all of that come to pass thus far, and I think you’ve already captured people’s curiosity here because this is the next thing that I wanted to discuss with you.
Jessica Murray: Mmmhmm.
Regina Meredith: We’ve also released another little video this month that could have some profound impacts, or it could be—we have to wait and see how much truth is in it. But it was stating that there is a new system of economy that behind the scenes, has been formed behind the scenes, is going to be rising to our consciousness, that is going to radically change the way banking is done and the world economies enwrapped with each other and with human beings. And, so, what are you seeing in that same world?
Jessica Murray: There are two exact hits, as we say, of this angle up in the sky, this Uranus/Pluto square that all of the astrologers are talking about. And we have been waiting for it for years; really since the mid-‘60s, when these two planets conjoined in the sky, we’ve been waiting for the other shoe to drop. That’s how big it is. That’s how rare it is and world-altering a transit like this is. The first two hits of them are coming in 2012, and from Western Astrology’s point of view that’s what puts 2012 on the map, mostly. You know the different—the Hopi prophecies and the Mayan tradition have their point of view.
Regina Meredith: Yes. Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And, of course, none of us think that it’s an accident that all these different wisdom path traditions tend to line up around this calendar year. But from Western Astrology’s point of view, we’re looking at the June 24th exactitude, and one in September. Mind you, we don’t look at those exact dates as meaning that you’re going to wake up in the morning and some event is going to happen.
Regina Meredith: Right. Sure, sure.
Jessica Murray: But there’s kind of like an epicenter in Time.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And when they hit, that’s when we expect the intensity to probably show up in events, or at the next full moon.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, all these things are tracked out in a very technical way. But this is when, also, Venus does an interesting, very rare thing, called an occultation. Venus governs money, and it is associated in mundane astrology with banking. And there is a kind of a supporting meaning, therefore, that the Venus occultation will also—which is in early June of 2012—have something to do with it because the last time it did something like this—they happen in pairs eight years apart—was 2004. Two thousand and eight was the mid-point of the one that’s happening this year and the one that happened then. Two thousand and eight is associated, therefore, by astrologers with this banking cataclysm, too.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And, so, June is tracking up to be a very important month in 2012, from many points of view, and it’s right in the middle.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, if we can think of Time as if it were spatial and then you kind of drop a pebble in water and it ripples out like that, that’s the way my kind of astrology looks at Time.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, this is a very big deal. We don’t know specifically. We never know specifically what it’s going to mean. But we know by the rarity of something that it’s going to be world-altering.
Regina Meredith: Interesting. When you can tell where the cracks in the system already exist that there will be additional stress applied in those areas.
Jessica Murray: Right, exactly. That’s right.
Regina Meredith: So, maybe we only need to look around to where the stress fractures already are and that will give us an idea of what may be coming?
Jessica Murray: Yeah, but I think from the point of view of Humanistic Astrology, what we look at more than that is what it means in the big picture and kind of the esoteric meaning of this. It’s about value. And there’s a wonderful thinker; he’s a professor of something in Austin. Have you ever heard of Robert Jensen, University of Texas?
Regina Meredith: No, I don’t believe I have, no.
Jessica Murray: He has a stunningly beautiful YouTube video on how the value of the human being has been degenerated. He’s not an astrologer, but I was watching his lecture, and he hit all the points that these transits in the sky imply. So, this whole notion of value. Another layer of it is that Venus, in the USA chart, is being opposed by Venus and has been since 2008.
Regina Meredith: Laughing.
Jessica Murray: Now, we in this materialistic culture, tend to equate value with material value, and that’s not to be dismissed. That suggests that for this populace it probably will manifest that way because these are the terms that the mass mind understands it on.
Regina Meredith: Right.
Jessica Murray: So, I’m thinking with the Venus in the USA chart—I especially look at America’s karma because it’s very closely tied in with the Uranus/Pluto square. I talk about it in my book.
Regina Meredith: Yeah, Soul Sick Nation, yes.
Jessica Murray: I have the USA chart in that book to show you that what is already an incredibly tense configuration in the sky; two planets that heavy in a 90 degree angle.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: When it’s imposed upon the US natal chart, the entity born July 4, 1776, it becomes what we call a Grand Cross, which is the most stressful configuration in astrology. So, I do think that the USA is going to be a major player in this breakdown/renewal that has to happen. I do think that populace movements—I mean this is what I said in those “predictions” that I was just reading the other day that I wrote before there was anything; you know before there was any whiff of a genuine radical uprising like we’ve seen with mostly young people from Occupy [Wall Street].
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: The activism of it comes from Aries; the populism of it comes from Uranus, which is the planet of democracy. Pluto, no surprise, is the planet of Plutocracy.
Regina Meredith: Indirectly opposing each other.
Jessica Murray: They’re in conflict; they’re squaring each other.
Regina Meredith: Yes. So, we understand this from what we see every day in the headlines; the Occupy movement and, also, around the world, around the globe, all of the other countries in the Middle East.
Jessica Murray: Around the world. China.
Regina Meredith: China. Let’s talk about China in this.
Jessica Murray: China; what a trip. It has a configuration in Libra in its chart, its 1949 chart, which is exactly on the same degrees of some of the planets in the USA chart. It’s being hit in the crosshairs in similar way.
Regina Meredith: Aahhh.
Jessica Murray: And, so, we have—we don’t have to be an astrologer to be able to see these two super powers, now, vying for supremacy, really. China is kind of lined up to be, you know, the big dog in the global hegemony department. But there’re so many contradictions between what’s going on in China and the way that at least Americans think about it.
Regina Meredith: Elaborate.
Jessica Murray: I think that Americans are more politically, geopolitically naïve than most countries in the world.
Regina Meredith: I think that’s fair to say.
Jessica Murray: But there is still kind of this illusion left over from the Cold War years that China is bad because it’s communist. And, of course, we know it’s the most rip-roaringly capitalist country in the world right now!
Regina Meredith: (laughing together)
Jessica Murray: It’s out-capitalistic-ing the USA, by far. And this business of disapproving. You know how the mass mind thinks of China, and how the idiots on the cable news shows will play to these ideas that they’re godless communists. It’s about 50 to 25 years behind in terms of the reality; the reality of power, the reality of us being a trillion dollars in hock to them.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, when you see a country having an image in the collective consciousness that’s so out of whack with what’s happening economically, you know that there’s going to be a more painful rupture when what has to happen, happens, which is that the reality is going to have to catch up with the myths in the mass mind. This is what’s really going on energetically with the Uranus/Pluto square is that people’s thinking are, in a relatively accelerated way—in various countries at various speeds, but globally because we’re all under the same sky—these ideas that are now, that are happening now, the truth of what’s happening now is going to break through all kinds of national myths in a relatively sudden way, and the relatively sudden comes from the Uranus factor. Uranus in Aries is an abruptness.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: Which, if we look at the last time we had a transit like this, in 1965-66 . . .
Regina Meredith: Times of revolution, yes.
Jessica Murray: Times of revolution.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: And they happened—it seemed like it happened like wildfire.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm. Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: Without taking the years to sort of move, percolate in the mass mind.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: That’s the kind of change we’re looking at here.
Regina Meredith: Now, we look at—we were talking about the reality that many Americans suffer from a type of denial or even delusion that is going to be shown to each one of us this year.
Jessica Murray: Yes.
Regina Meredith: And, we’re going to be faced with our own disinformation that we’ve been running through our filters.
Jessica Murray: That’s right. Disinformation is what it is.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: So, I do see a backlash coming, and the American mass media is probably the headquarters for this. They are the organ for the government, who are the organ for the corporations; want disseminated.
Regina Meredith: Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes.
Jessica Murray: So, I tell my students about working with what we call the Neptune factor, which is illusion/delusion and the kind of fear reactivity that comes off of that.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, we say that Neptune governs fear, but there are many types of fear. And the type I’m talking about, here, has to do with sort of hopping on the bandwagon of these stories that are pumped out mostly through the media, also through advertising, which is also governed by Neptune, which after all governs hypnosis of all kinds.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And, you know, submersing, being immersed like water, Neptune governs floods and water disasters is another issue we could talk about. But, when I think about the energy of flooding, the energetic, non-literal expression of Neptune, which begins the year conjunct the US Moon, which is the mass mood. So, that’s why I’m particularly looking at this country with it.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: You see that there’s almost a bewitching going on and a tendency to want to take the easy path and go to sleep in terms of these nonsense issues that the news talks about.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: While they are meanwhile blacking out where the money really is.
Regina Meredith: Well, it’s manufacturing a mindset that is totally out of alignment with reality on both sides. If you take the preoccupation with the media, for example, with infotainment, you know, you’re news shows, which are entertainment, essentially, the objective there seems to be to enslave people to their emotions. It projects the world as a much more dangerous place than if you were to look at the statistics, it really is.
Jessica Murray: Right. That’s right. Well, I think it’s going to crank up . . .
Regina Meredith: Yes, you’re right.
Jessica Murray: If we look at the Neptune and Mars spends an extraordinary eight months in Virgo in 2012, which is just very unusual.
Regina Meredith: Painful. Is that painful? It sounds painful.
Jessica Murray: Well, I’m looking in terms of what we’re talking about now.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: It’s going to hit that USA Neptune, and it’s going to trigger that part of the US consciousness which goes as a default to the distraction that you’re talking about.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: To be distracted and to fall into free floating anxiety.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: And Neptune is an emotional planet, so it’s interesting that the intellect and the use of reason is very difficult for the collective entity that is the USA.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: We have Saturn in Libra, and it doesn’t feel smart in terms of using reason and accumulating facts. But those are exactly the types of things that people could do. We don’t have to buy into the collective hypnosis. That’s why with a little boost from our will, being rooted in our own individual chart and our own intelligence and our own sense of why we incarnated in these tumultuous times, you actually don’t have to be rooted in that. So, I’m actually looking at two different things, here.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: I’m looking at the default position that I think will happen in the public consciousness and I’m also . . .
Regina Meredith: Which is to take the easy way out. To try to . . .
Jessica Murray: Yes, who aren’t individualized . . .
Regina Meredith: Yes, to attempt to sleep through it.
Jessica Murray: They will not—unfortunately, I think they’ll react through it.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: Because what I think will happen with the Uranus/Pluto square is that the powers that be are going to give it their all; they are going to forget this kinder, gentler plutocracy and just be straight up obvious plutocrats.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So that, you know, the censorship of the internet, which they haven’t dared touch before, is now something in Congress. I’m sure you’ve heard of it.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: Which is trying to use copyright regulations to derive a blacklist. And, you know, the Citizens United was another thing that we saw. Something like that would happen, this horrible Supreme Court ruling that made explicit what has always been implicit, which is that corporations are people and they have more value than human beings.
Regina Meredith: Yes. Just . . . yes.
Jessica Murray: So, this idea that money is behind elections is no longer somebody’s rumor; it became law.
Regina Meredith: Very difficult. Right.
Jessica Murray: And that, with the internet thing, and there’s also this unspeakable thing, which so far Obama has pledged to veto, but we will see. Do you want to say a few words?
Regina Meredith: No, you go ahead. Please do.
Jessica Murray: Well, we know, those of us who want to cleave to the Constitution, even the Magna Carta—I mean this idea that one is charged with a crime before one is incarcerated, and on US soil and a US citizen. I mean it’s like saying yes to Guantanamo Bay right here at home. I think that these are signs of the Pluto factor, as I call it, which is the plutocrats taking off the gloves.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: On the other hand, with this exactitude, you know, the peaking of the intensity of the forces of, really democracy and plutocracy coming together in a conflicting angle, the most conflicting angle in astrology, it’s not going to be a slam dunk for the plutocrats. There’s going to be a lot more occupy type protests. You can’t put those worms back in the can.
Regina Meredith: Yeah.
Jessica Murray: So, I think that the meaning of it is that the systems we’ve got going can’t cope with the realities of the world right now. And these modest little proposals that happen when the G20 get together on climate change, which are about a third of what needs to happen, and they’re still being fought tooth and nail. And China, as I’ve implied, it really is also going to be in the crosshairs of what we call the Cardinal Cross, this major transit. It’s not going to get away with anything either.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, I’m not—don’t let your viewers take from this that I’m saying it’s going to be the next hegemon and it’s going to be a slam dunk for them.
Regina Meredith: Because their being presented with very similar challenges.
Jessica Murray: Yes, and they’re in a different place with it. They have a crudeness about it.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And . . . They are far ahead of us in terms of internet censorship, but they have so many people that they can’t keep those worms in the can very well.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: Here’s what I want to say about China before we leave that topic. They are blinded by the, you know, the capitalistic blood in the nostrils. They’re just kind of going for it without a lot of systemic, without any systemic regulatory agencies in place. And the way they’re pumping out pollution, everyone is tisk-tisking about it. The interesting thing is that they’re also the world leader in sola and sustainable [energy].
Regina Meredith: I was just going to ask you about that, yes.
Jessica Murray: It’s just a mess of ironies.
Regina Meredith: And, we just learned that they actually have—they’ve embraced cold fusion and this is part of their energetic profile.
Jessica Murray: Yes, that’s right.
Regina Meredith: Which is not in any other country, just yet. Very soon.
Jessica Murray: It’s so interesting. We can say, well, it’s because they want to be number one in everything. Fine. That’s something to be number one in. So, just to go to say that we have no idea how that’s going to play out.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: You know Uranus is opposite their Sun cluster, and that Uranus is the planet that anything can happen given its unpredictability. But, I think that we can look at all these shifts and cultural earthquakes ahead of us with a certain template in mind, and one of them is that to understand what’s going on, we need to understand that this is kind of a post-political world we’re in, post-ideological world.
Regina Meredith: That’s an interesting way you put that.
Jessica Murray: I think that astrologically we would say that what Capricorn governs, which is where Pluto, the planet of breakdown is in until 2023 . . .
Regina Meredith: Which is more pragmatic than idealistic.
Jessica Murray: Right.
Regina Meredith: Yeah.
Jessica Murray: What it governs in the mundane world is financial systems and governments.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And, I think we’re seeing a collapse of those two areas, so that it’s a hybrid. And, I think that 2012 is going to be the year where we cross the line, so that it’s a post-ideological geopolitics.
Regina Meredith: Being exposed for being the corporatocracy that it is, 100 percent.
Jessica Murray: That’s right. It’s exposed, mmmhmm.
Regina Meredith: There will be no attempt to shield us from that any longer.
Jessica Murray: That’s what I see happening, but you know that’s no worse in the mass mind of the West in order to pander to the people and cop votes.
Regina Meredith: Right.
Jessica Murray: Politicians still talk in terms of these platitudes from the Cold War: We’re free; they’re not. And it’s all about money. The 2008 transits burst that reality through and stripped off the facade. So, it’s going to be very difficult to keep that line going that it’s about ideology, anymore.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm, yes, I think you’re right on that. What about some of the other anomalous action that’s going to be taking place. I noticed that you had some notes, and I was looking at one area that I thought was interesting because you were just bringing this up with the politicians and their platforms, and so forth, that when it comes to election day, itself, it’s going to be happening under Mercury in retrograde.
Jessica Murray: That very day.
Regina Meredith: That very day. That could be a very challenging situation.
Jessica Murray: It’s not just that it’s happening in that zone.
Regina Meredith: It happens three times a year for about three weeks.
Jessica Murray: It’s extraordinary, right.
Regina Meredith: So, it’s happening. So, let’s talk about that for a minute.
Jessica Murray: The last time I know of that it happened was 2000, and we know what a mess that was, when somebody won who had lost.
Regina Meredith: Yes. So, that kind of event is the hallmark of Mercury in retrograde.
Jessica Murray: Well, to have it stationed on that day does make us raise our eyebrows.
Regina Meredith: Yeah.
Jessica Murray: But, I think the way you probably do, also, that the purpose served by the big election game is more distraction for the American people, at least, then anything else.
Regina Meredith: Yes, yes.
Jessica Murray: And, I mean the kinds of things that Obama has done; I hope he listens to his wealthy donors on that pipeline, because you know they—even the people who supported him last time with big money surrounded the White House and protested. It wasn’t just scruffy occupiers. And, I do think that he’ll pay attention to where the money is if there is significant protest from the people.
Regina Meredith: Yeah.
Jessica Murray: But the business of making a big human cry over the supposed difference between Republicans and Democrats, there needs to be a quantum leap in consciousness in the American public away from that story, which consumes an awful lot of time and an awful lot of money.
Regina Meredith: I can barely listen to any of the news outlets any longer claiming this charade. Years before the election: You have an election; a person is sworn in and then you’re starting to get, already, the campaign analysis for the next election. It’s just a game, a game of preoccupation.
Jessica Murray: Did you see—you can only laugh at it now; it’s becoming so absurd.
Regina Meredith: It’s totally absurd.
Jessica Murray: Did you see the Onion. Do you read the Onion.
Regina Meredith: No, I didn’t. What did they do?
Jessica Murray: It’s a satirical newspaper that has a faux headline about Herman Cane, and it says something like: “Candidate has to abdicate, give up the election, as the one who, because of extramarital affairs.” This is the guy who didn’t know that China had nuclear weapons.
Regina Meredith: (laughing) Right.
Jessica Murray: It was his affairs that made him have to step down.
Regina Meredith: Right, right.
Jessica Murray: I mean I keep thinking that it’s going to become so absurd, so irrelevant that it will become obvious to more and more people.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: But, when I look at that Uranus in Aries, I also see that it’s only ever a small group of people, numerically, that shake the rest awake.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: It’s as if human consciousness works in a bell curve. And there are only, in any epic like this, and there really aren’t that many in history. But in any epic like in the ‘60s, where there was this incredibly disturbing change and the status quo is just fighting for its life, really, you’re going to have relatively only a handful of people like the occupiers. But the brilliance of their message to make a slogan of 99 percent in 1 to make the case that it had nothing to do with democrat/republican.
Regina Meredith: Yes, yes.
Jessica Murray: Let’s just look at the numbers please.
Regina Meredith: Yeah, yes.
Jessica Murray: I thought that was the most stunning . . .
Regina Meredith: It is. Well done.
Jessica Murray: And to have them called unclear and incoherent by the media, which really didn’t know what to do with them, at first.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: It’s the most coherent battle cry that we’ve ever heard. How can that be more coherent?
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: Exactly to the point, which is what we expect from Pluto.
Regina Meredith: Well, and they are the few speaking on behalf of the presumed 99 percent, which is probably fair to say. And, yet, at the same time, what’s this year—we touched on it earlier, but maybe to go into a little bit more—what is this year going to do to those who are not among the few that are up and active?
Jessica Murray: Right.
Regina Meredith: What is this year going to do?
Jessica Murray: That’s a very good question. You know I—it’s a hard one to answer because in the last analysis, I look at a person’s chart and an astrologer will look at this arrangement of planet when they were born as a template of what they can do, of who they are, and there’s an inference there. We infer from this abstraction of different psychic components arranged just certain ways. We infer from that that their soul made a decision to incarnate into this epoch and none other. And, I think that people who, even if all they know about astrology is people’s Sun signs, they would see that that is an assumption of this belief system. I mean you can’t really get anything out of astrology if you don’t already presume that there is a meaning behind somebody being born in the spring, as a Taurus, instead of in the fall.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, we can start there and realize that the birth chart takes that idea and makes it very much more complex, so that there’s also a meaning, not just in what season your Sun is in, but in what era you were born in and what epoch you come to adulthood in. So that, for example, those of us who were young adults in the ‘60s, that that was karmically ordained in terms of how our soul develops.
Regina Meredith: And that would include Pluto generation?
Jessica Murray: Pluto in Leo generation.
Regina Meredith: Yeah. Pluto in Leo generation.
Jessica Murray: But the little babies who were born—I’m looking at the Uranus and Pluto, together, in the chart when I say this—under those skies, they are in their prime now, when Uranus and Pluto have moved into this other relationship.
Regina Meredith: Yes, yes.
Jessica Murray: So, trying to say something rather complex in a simple way; we would say that to take responsibility for the fact that there are certain skillsets in each chart. You know and you don’t have to be an astrologer to look at these, the crises of these times and what do I do about them this way? You can do it through self-actualization methods as long as your arm. Every wisdom path there is will lead you to the same place, which is who am I in my essence and what is there about being born right now, when this is happening?
So, I do look at certain charts in these years and see, wow, that they seem to be singled out in a way so that their own individual growth arch, in a spiritual sense, matches, you know, lines up very closely with the collective evolutionary trajectory.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: And those are the people who we probably would expect some explicit kind of leadership with, even in an anti-leadership movement like OWS.
Regina Meredith: Right.
Jessica Murray: But the rest, it’s not for everybody to go out and, you know, camp in a city park. And the knowing the self, the self-awareness; if you follow this line of logic, will show you what the times want of you. And, if you’re not in that place of looking inside to know what your spiritual skill set is and your practical skill set is and your natural proclivities are, you’re not going to be any good to anybody in any epic, anyway.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm, very true.
Jessica Murray: So, I would say to your viewers, if you have your chart and you want to take this one step further, there are some pivotal degrees to look at. One of them is the 15th degree of mutable signs. If you have Gemini in your chart, it might be hit by this occultation of Venus, for example.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, I won’t get too technical, but there are ways to try to interpret by having your chart done to see.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm. Have somebody competent share, yeah, these specifics.
Jessica Murray: You’ll be feeling it, anyway, if you’re in touch.
Regina Meredith: Yeah, at least you can put your mind over it for a deeper understanding, rather than just reaction.
Jessica Murray: A deeper understanding rather than reacting, and that’s what I’ve been wanting to say since you asked that question about Mars. Mutable signs, in general, are going to be very restless and pesky, needling, like Virgo does at its worst, kind of nagging.
Regina Meredith: And name the mutable signs for everybody.
Jessica Murray: OK; Virgo, Gemini, Pieces, where Kyron and Neptune are going to be; Sagittarius. Now, these are going to be hit by Mars in a natal chart. In the USA chart, in fact, in January. January 23, Mars is going to make a station at 23 Virgo.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: It’s going to, then, come back later in the year, and that’s going to be right on top of the USA Neptune. So, this is the kind of things astrologers look at when we talk about, for example, the smoke screens. Neptune can be delusion as well as being lost in a beautiful, spiritual way. It can mean being fogged in.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: Like the Indian was in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, when he took a drug and imagined they were fogging him in.
Regina Meredith: Yes, yeah.
Jessica Murray: That’s Neptune. So, the whole country has that going on.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And when we see that, for example, Mars is going to station on it, it’s like Mercury stationing on Election Day.
Regina Meredith: Election Day, yeah.
Jessica Murray: A lot of astrologers start to make predictions about that.
Regina Meredith: Yeah.
Jessica Murray: And what we can do to be on the right side of it is try to get back to the higher meaning of these energies and not succumb, really, to that default position you were talking about.
Regina Meredith: Mmmm.
Jessica Murray: The higher meaning of that Neptune for the USA, for example, is a dreamy yearning for to be able to pour yourself into something meaningful. This Neptune in the Ninth House is spiritual search, and it’s been all covered over and buried and distracted by other parts of the chart, which seem to put this laser like, obsessive energy on money and material. Pluto is in the second house of the USA chart, which by the way, is going to peak in 2022. We’re going to have a Pluto return, as a nation. But, you know, the higher the vibration of each of these planets is why I think, in the biggest picture, they’re happening.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: Say, why are these transits happening? The planets don’t really give a pin about the USA getting out of doubt, or whether, you know, China is going to be top dog. Uranus, for example, is the spirit behind democracy. You know the planet was first sighted in the sky around the American Revolution, and so there is this correspondence there.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And the idea that Uranus in everybody’s individual chart is that person’s impulse towards individuation—this radical idea, and you see it didn’t happen ‘til the Eighteenth Century because the world mind wasn’t ready for it.
Regina Meredith: Right.
Jessica Murray: That’s why it wasn’t discovered until then.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, you realize that it’s a modern sensibility relative to human, you know, 200,000 years on the planet.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: That represents the potential every person has and every country has, to believe that each individual has a voice.
Regina Meredith: So, it would be good to . . .
Jessica Murray: And that’s coming up against Pluto.
Regina Meredith: Yeah.
Jessica Murray: And they’re equally weighted.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, when the fur flies, you know, who are you going to put your heart behind? And that’s what I’m saying in terms of to know . . .
Regina Meredith: Uranus. Yes.
Jessica Murray: Uranus can also be crazy, chaotic running around, and technology run amuck, a society governed by technology rather than the other way around.
Regina Meredith: Well, I think we see the evidence for that everywhere.
Jessica Murray: We see evidence everywhere, but it’s about which one we want to create.
Regina Meredith: And speaking of that, when you’re talking about technology running the country instead of the other way around, that brings me to something I’m very intrigued with, which is the younger generation of the 20s-somethings.
Jessica Murray: Yeah.
Regina Meredith: Now, are they the Libra generation? The 20s-somethings?
Jessica Murray: I don’t—well, you mean Pluto being in a certain sign?
Regina Meredith: Yeah, Pluto, mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: I’m not sure. I’d have to look it up.
Regina Meredith: Whatever they are, the thing that seems to be expressed through them is correction and transparency. It’s almost as though, yes, we look at all the material aspects of life. Everybody has to have their new iPhone and whatever. But, it really seems that they’re about connection.
Jessica Murray: That’s very interesting.
Regina Meredith: Yes, and transparency is endemic to it.
Jessica Murray: Right.
Regina Meredith: I was talking with some 20s-somethings the other day, and you’ve got the whole range of the typical arguments, which is well, so what if some of our rights are taken away if you don’t have anything to hide, from their point of view that’s not just naivety speaking. They’re so transparent already in what they do and the way they choose to see each other and be seen, whether it’s through, you know Facebook or whatnot.
Jessica Murray: That’s very interesting. Completely different than our generation. It’s ideological.
Regina Meredith: Completely different. And, so, what happens—yeah, so what happens when you have a young generation that’s coming into some really prime energy and some of them are directing it toward the Occupy movement? But, what it is the beauty and hope in that generation in these times, where connection and transparency rules?
Jessica Murray: I think that’s very well said and I think that we go back to this idea, which is fundamental in this type of astrology, which is that those outer planet placements, that they have in their charts set them up for a certain set of emphases, for a certain set of understandings that they have that our generation didn’t have.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: Not just skills, but something that we almost don’t have English words for, which is a certain evolutionary blueprint that is in them, that is mandated by when they were born, so that when they got to a certain age, say the Saturn return, when they’re 30 and coming into their prime responsible consciousness, that the world would be at a certain place, and their particular skills and interests—like you say, this emphasis on transparency—would naturally be brought to bear on what the collective needs to happen at that time, which it had other problems when we were young.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm, right.
Jessica Murray: We didn’t know from ecology; we didn’t have a word for it. We were just into “don’t litter.”
Regina Meredith: Right, right.
Jessica Murray: So, then you had a generation that sort of began the environmentalist movement, and they had all this Virgo in their chart, which is cleaning up. And, so, it became cleaning up the Earth on mass. And then these ones who are even younger, who, I think are going to create a backlash to the backlash. I think they have the ingredients in their charts to, on mass . . .
Regina Meredith: What’s that mean?
Jessica Murray: The transparency is a backlash to the corporatocracy and the kleptocracy.
Regina Meredith: Yes, mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And that’s why they watch Jan Stuart to get their news, because you can only laugh at it.
Regina Meredith: Right. That is very true. Hey, it’s as viable as any other news source, probably more so in a lot of ways.
Jessica Murray: Absolutely. And, I do think that, you know, they have just not bought in at all. .. .
Regina Meredith: No, they do not seem to have bought in. They’re more concerned with the creation of their own realities.
Jessica Murray: Mmmhmm, so I think that’s genetically wired, hard wired, and that the planets revealed—the outer reveal that these are the ones that govern whole generations.
Regina Meredith: Interesting. So, looking at all of these factors in review, what do you see as the most beautiful potential that can be expressed in these times? And, we understand that this is a path of consciousness for every person participating. But, in an ideal world where we do wake up to the possibilities at hand, what do you see as the most beautiful potential outcome?
Jessica Murray: It has to do with breaking through illusion. I call it, “Step 1: Unplug your TV,” going inside and getting in touch, as we were saying before, with what you have that nobody else has, with what you know that nobody else knows. That’s inner work, and I think that none of the beautiful potentials we would like to see can happen without it.
This, by the way, just a little side note. I’m thinking our generation wasn’t particularly good at that.
Regina Meredith: No.
Jessica Murray: At least the activists; SDS marches; we thought that was navel-gazing and we didn’t.
Regina Meredith: Yeah.
Jessica Murray: We were the other way, but these things swing like a pendulum. So, I think that the beautiful potential of unprecedented crises is that one is forced to wake up. There can’t be anymore superficial reforms of the banking system if it’s being done at the same level; I mean if it’s being dictated by the lobbyists, you’re not going to get laws regulating lobbying. So, it’s this old Einstein idea that you can’t change a system from within the system.
Regina Meredith: Mmmm.
Jessica Murray: And, I think that it’s getting so that you have to have people outside of the system. That’s a huge radical break, once they’ve unplugged from the delusions which are being spun out from the fog machine, gotten in touch with who they are. And, I’ve afraid that calamity is very good at getting us in touch.
Regina Meredith: People respond to pain and pressure.
Jessica Murray: People would change overnight; the world could change overnight.
Regina Meredith: Yeah, and this water thing you mentioned earlier.
Jessica Murray: Neptune is going into Pieces to stay.
Regina Meredith: Does that mean literal; we could have some inundations or some . . .?
Jessica Murray: Well, we have had when it dipped its toe into Pieces, which governs the oceans last year.
Regina Meredith: Yeah, yes.
Jessica Murray: Then it went retrograde out, but during the time it was in we had floods, and sea levels are rising, anyway. We’ve mapped them out. This is another kind of thing which isn’t on the news. They’d rather talk about political squabbling.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: But these are immensely important developments, which they come from the symbolism of water on every level. The literal level is that water disaster; tsunamis, which we can hardly call “freak,” anymore. The freak weather patterns are now becoming the norm.
Regina Meredith: Yeah, mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: Drinking water; clean water. You know right now a lot of people in cities are drinking sewage effluent that’s been semi-purified. I know it’s very crude to say that, but this is really what’s happening.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: And, we can’t imagine that beings like humans, that are 95 percent water, are not going to respond physiologically to taking in water that is that polluted.
Regina Meredith: Mmmhmm.
Jessica Murray: So, I think that the big deal is going to be water in many different ways. And, people who see this coming are thinking in terms of, back to the idea of value; what really has value. Clean water and food for the seven billion people is going to come this next calendar year to be seen as far more valuable than gold, dollars, pounds sterling, stock quotes, airable land, too.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: This is really breaking it down to essentials. So, I see it’s with great happiness that I watch some of these people in the generation that are talking about going back to the land.
Regina Meredith: Oh, it’s wonderful!
Jessica Murray: In a much more sophisticated way than we old hippies did.
Regina Meredith: Oh yes, absolutely! They have technology.
Jessica Murray: They know the science.
Regina Meredith: They know the science. They’ve got their cool little earrings and cool little boots on and they’re out there with their fingers in the dirt doing, you know, biodynamic gardening, for example. That’s becoming common. It’s wonderful!
Jessica Murray: They know what they’re doing and so this is another way we look at the generational mandate coming into its own to answer to the crises of the times.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
Jessica Murray: There’s nothing coming up that we can’t deal with. And if you just consider that phrase, “We are the 99 percent,” that’s an awful lot more people than the 1 percent, an awful lot of us.
Regina Meredith: Yes. On that note, any final thoughts. That kind of was a final thought and it was beautiful. Any final comments you want to make about 2012?
Jessica Murray: On the Venus occultation . . .
Regina Meredith: And that’s June 24th?
Jessica Murray: June 5th.
Regina Meredith: June 5th, OK, alright.
Jessica Murray: The Uranus/Pluto square is June 24; all of June, right around the time of the Summer Solstice will be very magical. How wonderful it would be if everyone got into their hearts, which is the highest meaning of the planet Venus, and started to let that as a meditation on a body level, on a spiritual level, suggest to them the way that they could take responsibility for being alive now. To ground ourselves in our heart in June is a perfect opportunity. The planets are all lined up to allow us to do that.
Regina Meredith: Well, we’ll have to have a little celebration.
Jessica Murray: Definitely.
Regina Meredith: On that note, thank you so much. As always, so eloquently put and I like the fact that you’re not the purveyor of hard predictions because, first of all, that only leads to embarrassment in a lot of cases because we can’t predict how our consciousness in mass is going to respond to all of these. But, you’ve given us these . . .
Jessica Murray: No, we can’t. It’s not just that we don’t want to; it’s not possible.
Regina Meredith: It’s not possible, so I love the way you present the information. And thank you on just a few days before the New Year, for taking time to do this, once again.
Jessica Murray: It’s a pleasure.
Regina Meredith: While many people few these times as a challenge and do not want to hear what they feel is depressing news, I view it as a golden invitation for each of us to step into our authentic selves and discern what we have to offer. It will take a village and more to give birth to a new paradigm of conscious living. Until next time, thanks for watching CMN.
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Excellent post. Thank you. A bit of disagreement. I grew up in a communist country and in as much as China is a very thriving Capitalistic society, personal freedom and governmental dictatorship is still present. I believe much of this capitalism can be taken away by the government at the drop of a feather. Many wealthy merchants in China do have a second citizenship, just in case.