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James Barrett
The Silent Gospel
June, 2007
Regina Meredith: One of the great mysteries of the world has been the Shroud of Turin in which the image of a man many believe is Jesus, is, in effect, burned into a piece of cloth. James Barrett has spent the last seven years researching the scientific data that’s been gathered on the Shroud and has expanded the research to include ancient spiritual technologies. The result of this melding of science and spiritual wisdom is the discovery of a signature frequency of the human heart that allows for ascension—the frequency of compassion.
Regina Meredith: So we’re talking about the intelligence of the heart and this is a subject that’s been, what, for about the last decade, beginning to come to the forefront but you’re looking at it in an entirely fresh way. And we’re going to get into that but first of all, what is it in you, in your background, that set you on this path to begin with?
James Barrett: Well, I guess it started really with this interest in the mystical traditions and looking at the different mystical traditions. And, raised a Catholic, there was the sacred heart and the immaculate heart. And so from all of the traditions, or even in the Egyptian, you come back to the purified heart. So, I looked more deeply from those perspectives—from the mystical traditions—at the heart. And, as you looked at it, in depth, they kept putting it towards “attunement”, “alignment”, “harmony”. They used words and descriptions that seemed to me that if you were, in this day in age, we should be able to, you know, look at that, find a signature for that and gradually that’s what we worked into.
Regina Meredith: Now, how does this blend in with or dovetail somewhat with, say, the work at the HeartMath Institute? So we can start seeing where things flow in and flow out and, you know, ‘cause a little bit later I want to get into how the technology itself was developed.
James Barrett: Right. Well, the HeartMath is a wonderful institution; they’ve done wonderful work. And they look at the heart strictly from heart rate variability which is a specific spectrum of the wave form. Not to get too technical. But when you look at the spectrum of the harmonic of the heart and you take out the lower slices, the long waves in the really low area, you can look at it in the time domain or you can look at it in the frequency domain, or both. So you can look at the frequencies and see what’s going on, or you can look at it in the time domain. And, originally, heart rate variability was just looking at the differences between beat to beat.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: In respect to the breathing, to respiration. But as they looked into it more closely, you could find a lot of information embedded within the harmonics that are present in the low frequency ranges of the heart. So when you clap your hands, there’s a whole spectrum of frequencies that are present in that one sound. When your heart beats, there’s a symphony of frequencies present. And you can look at the really long, low waves—heart rate variability is below a half a hertz; that’s a long wave.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm. Yes.
James Barrett: Ok? And what that information tells you and talks to you about is about the autonomic nervous system and the different branches of it – the parasympathetic and the sympathetic. And those two—one speeds you up and one slows you down, and they work through the heart to do that and all the different organs come into play—the adrenals and, you know, your breathing and perspiration and things like this. So as they come into phase, or balance, what was found was that you have optimizing your immune system, you had greater peace, and then they found that a lot of that had to do with the psychological positioning you were in at the moment.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: So gratitude and appreciation—genuine feelings of positive feelings tended to enhance positive heart rate variability.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: And, when they looked into this in depth, they found that heart rate variability is at the core of most chronic diseases, and that’s pretty important.
Regina Meredith: And that’s what the ancients understood.
James Barrett: Oh yeah.
Regina Meredith: And so we’ll bring this full circle with what they found with what the ancients also knew running through your work as well.
James Barrett: Ok.
Regina Meredith: So, in the mid 90s, you—what made you decide to get involved with this even down to the technology, of utilizing technology to interface and read the rhythms of the heart yourself?
James Barrett: Well, originally, I built a healing retreat center with a bunch of people over in North Carolina. And at this center I’d witnessed different levels of healing that, previous to that time, I didn’t think was really possible understanding that what I understood about the body and how the body worked. But currently, I understand it to be much different and my interest in human potentiality and what you’re capable of—‘cause you look at the medical literature, the volumes of people with spontaneous healings, spiritual traditions, all these things that they do…So how is that possible? And, for me, it seemed to always come back to centering on the heart. And when I found out early in the 90s that the heart was autogenic, what means it doesn’t have an outside source to beat. In other words, it doesn’t get information from the brain or any other source for its operations. I was like, huh, that’s a pretty important fact right there. And then when I heard from a coroner at one time that there were neural cells embedded in the tissue of the heart. And then through the mystical traditions, the idea of the heart having its own innate intelligence and aims and desires…started to dovetail together for me. You know, to see how one issue related to the other issues and they all seemed to have fit. I mean, heart rate variability, if you understand it, really, is at a point today where they are literally talking yoga.
Regina Meredith: Right, right. (laughing together). Science is dovetailing…
James Barrett: And the science of yoga…
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: Ok. You can look at it from Western medical perspectives, and the idea for me was, ok, how and what is the actual signature that you’re actually looking for.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: What is the optimized signature for what the ancients would say would be an open, a receptive compassionate heart?
Regina Meredith: And that’s what you were looking for when you had started developing your—it was a little device that essentially is an EKG device but developed for a different purpose.
James Barrett: We looked at it—we tried to develop a device that not only looked at the harmonic but looked at the relationship of the harmonic.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: And the reason for this was because in mathematics and geometry, in sacred geometry, there are models that help to describe openness and receptivity and things of that nature. And we were looking to see if those same things were present in the harmonic, the relationship of the frequencies at that time. And there was several people that helped to come up with a methodology of doing that. Plus, the computer speeds increased at that time. There was a lot of things that came together…the internet—
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: They all weren’t really present prior to this time. And when they started to be developed, they were in their infancy.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: And now, you know, as we push to the mid-90s, we had the tools available to actually start to conceptualize something that would be able to be hooked up, use the ECG information
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: And then transform it using fast foreign ear transforms in a way that we could look at the information from a novel perspective, a different way.
Regina Meredith: And, so, as you develop this technology, what did you begin discovering that has put you even further on your path of inquiry and discovery into—
James Barrett: Oh, great question. This is the question. For me personally, when you sat down and you looked at—this is a feedback device. So you’re seeing your heart’s music in real time, or what we perceive as real time. Ok? And there’s a whole story we can go into there about that information because real time is pretty interesting in and of itself. But, when you looked at your information, you could see how thought and thinking affected the heart. And then, what you’d noticed if you were paying attention or did this at any amount of, or degree of, frequency, you’d notice that you were watching your thoughts. And so the question arose from inside me is, “What’s watching my thoughts?”
Regina Meredith: Right. That’s what I was just going to ask, “What’s watching?” (laughing)
James Barrett: And, in science—in consciousness research, you would call it the witnessing, or non-local Self, because you can’t pinpoint it in any one place.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: And actually Candace Pert like that looking at emotions found that mind plays the central role in development and it happens spontaneous through quantum mechanical processes…
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: …quantum coherence, quantum entanglement, things of this nature. So, all those type of things that happen with the body at a really—at the small level, really begin and originate out of an impulse that comes from a nonlocal or quantum (that’s a conceptual idea of it) place. So the intelligence, which you might call the soul, impulses through. And when I researched it in more depth, the Sufis have the best model for this. You have the egoic Self that deals in past and future; its process deals in time. The heart deals in the present; it deals in the now. It creates reality for you. And, the soul deals in the eternal. It’s timeless, meaning no time. Not endless time—no time. It’s atemporal. Ok? So these—this aspect of mind Self pulls on the heart for creation of reality, and the egoic Self that helps you stay here, present, right? Getting to some place on time.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: It deals with time. Those two aspects pull on the heart for the creation of your reality. They impulse your heart. And if the egoic Self (survival-based) is more strong, then that’s what becomes your reality. And if the soul level is more powerful, then for sure you need more courage in your life because that’s why it’s a heart quality. Without courage—
Regina Meredith: Without courage—(laughing)
James Barrett: You don’t follow the soul so easily.
Regina Meredith: That is so true.
James Barrett: Because it just—it doesn’t really—it’s not interested in your survival. It’s eternal, the soul. Its goal is the attainment of self-recognition on a very large level, self-awareness on a very broad spectrum of understanding that term. Not just understanding “me” and why I do the things I do, but understanding truly the nature of Self and the broad scheme of things. Coming back, so it goes from spiritual back into the mystical back into the scientific, because the scientific is in the same place.
Regina Meredith: Right. It’s all coming from the same place; it’s just a different vocabulary.
James Barrett: So the awareness that is the mind in the now and the awareness that’s in the present is the heart actually speaking through you.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: And heart intelligence has a knowing about your real reason to be here—your dharma, your purpose. It calls you; it yearns. And so when your yearning is pulling you some place even though the egoic Self says, “Well, you know, if we do that we might not have any money.”
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: We might be broke. (laughing together) We might want to think this twice.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: We tried this in the 80s and it didn’t work. Right?
Regina Meredith: (laughing) Yeah.
James Barrett: This is the heart, and that’s calling from the soul. That’s my understanding of it.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
James Barrett: And that’s what was the interesting thing about the device is that when we played with this on any level, you kept coming back to noticing that there was an aspect of yourself witnessing this. And when my son passed away in 2000, I experienced this on a extended period of time and my desires shifted from wanting to create the device and the company and the tools to, more or less, wishing to, like, research the information and validate the experience in a rational way.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm. Which led you to publishing a book, The Silent Gospel, and this—
James Barrett: 7 years it’s taken. (laughing)
Regina Meredith: 7 years it’s taken to publish The Silent Gospel, which, it’s quite interesting. It would almost seem like a non sequitur but it’s not, because you go into the analysis on a profound level of the Shroud of Turin.
James Barett: Mm-hmm.
Regina Meredith: Which, of course, is still one of the great mysteries. So, can you go ahead and then make the leap from where you were. What you had discovered at that point in time, the path you were already on, all of the new questions and such that came up as a result of the death of your son…
James Barrett: Mm-hmm.
Regina Meredith: …to 7 years later publishing this book, The Silent Gospel, and why you’ve done it and what it’s about.
James Barrett: Hmm. That’s a really big question.
Regina Meredith: It’s a lot of questions in one question.
James Barrett: But the long and the short is that I had a real deep interest in human potentiality and the mystical traditions and understanding myself and heart intelligence. And during the process of burying my son—he had a book on his nightstand on the Shroud of Turin. And I had a true epiphany—those big Ah hah’s—where everything is clear and simple. I mean, it’s taken 7 years and a lot of water has gone under the bridge to get to this place, but at that moment in time it seemed like, “Oh yeah. It’s perfect.” So I could use the Shroud and explain how the image was created on the Shroud using the value that I’ve learned on compassion. Because the teachings of all the great masters, not just Jesus, but all of the masters—Buddha lived 500 years before Jesus. You know? The Vedas are from 1,500 years before Jesus. There’s a history and a development here of understanding human physicality on a level that we are just coming to understand again. There’s a renaissance of understanding this—the quantum, What the Bleep? (What the Bleep Do We Know!?), and all the—the Law of Attraction and these different ideas that are coming—
Regina Meredith: The Secret…
James Barrett: The Secret. They’re all coming out now with bits of understanding, this broader concept about our true nature—what we are truly come from.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: Ok? What we are part of. And, so, as I put the two together in that big Ah-ha moment, I got—literally received the complete table of contents for the book. I said, “If I do this and I do this and I show this and I show that, it all makes perfect sense to me.” Right?
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: But then as you do it and somebody else looks at it, they say, “Well, how did you get from here to there?” So, to actually tie all the points together, I just put chapters helping the individual expand their own level of imagination. Because there’s things like—there’s a—in medical science there is a new operation that’s done. It’s called the still point.
Regina Meredith: The still point?
James Barrett: Yeah.
Regina Meredith: What is that?
James Barrett: It’s an operation they do when you have like a blood vessel exploding in your head
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: And they literally bring your body temperature down to 58(°F), they stop your brain waves in your heart and they drain the blood from your body so there’s no pressure on the vessel.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: They fix the vessel, they reintroduce everything—you’re literally beyond dead, technically.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: I mean, they drain the blood, your body temperature—no brain waves, no heart waves. And then people reconstitute and come back. And most of them when they come back, the ones that survive, which is the majority of them—
Regina Meredith: The majority truly survive this.
James Barrett: Yes. And there’s several good books on the subject and actually down in Arizona is where they perform this most of the time and, literally, these people when they come back talk about watching the operation.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: Ok, the body is totally—no electrical activity.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
James Barrett: And they come back into the physical body. It speaks loudly about this other aspect of our self. This non-local witnessing aspect that we’re understanding now from consciousness research.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: That the ancients might call your soul, the Atma.
Regina Meredith: Right, right.
James Barrett: You know? And this aspect—when you align that with your heart and your egoic Self, it creates a unique attunement, attunement that you can actually see in the balance between the parasympathetic and the sympathetic.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: You can see in the immune system, you can see in the DNA, you can see in the whole broad range of physical attributes and characteristics.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: And, you feel joy, or at peace.
Regina Meredith: It does seem, though, that that procedure’s a little dicey. It’s a—
James Barrett: It’s a very dicey—it’s a last. You’re gonna die.
Regina Meredith: It’s a choice as to whether you wish to have what is called the Near Death Experience or not. (laughing together) So, but, I suppose it’s better than the alternative.
James Barrett: Right.
Regina Meredith: But, quite interesting. So, depending on the intention of that soul, they do or don’t come back.
James Barrett: Right.
Regina Meredith: Right. Depending on what’s appropriate for its future development and drive.
James Barrett: But not only that but they can actually—they’ll actually tell about what happened in the room—
Regina Meredith: Yes.
James Barrett: Or what happened up on the second floor of the hospital.
Regina Meredith: Yes, as witnessing. Right.
James Barrett: Right?
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: It’s an outer-body experience.
Regina Meredith: Right, right.
James Barrett: But, literally, the body—there’s no brain waves and the heart is stopped…
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: …and the blood is, you know, literally drained from the body so they can create this opportunity to fix. And this is for—you know, this operation doesn’t happen in ten minutes.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: We’re talking about an hour and a half of being in this state or longer.
Regina Meredith: Right, right. Amazing.
James Barrett: Right.
Regina Meredith: So, that animating force, the soul force, as it joins back with the body then you restore life. I mean, without that you don’t have life anyway.
James Barrett: Right.
Regina Meredith: And so, continue on then as to how this—you have the table of contents now.
James Barrett: Right.
Regina Meredith: And you’ve had your epiphany.
James Barrett: Right.
Regina Meredith: And you’re now going to begin taking compassion on on a new level of understanding, so how did the subject of the Shroud feed into all of this?
James Barrett: If you watch any of the Shroud of Turin programs like on TV, The Discovery Channel, what you’ll see there is a sanitized version of what the real, true researchers into the subject know. If the people that actually researched the object, have come to these conclusions about that—there’s a lot of science. First off, in ’77—I mean, in 1973 a group took a photo of the Shroud, and they took it and they put it through a NASA device called a VP-8 Analyzer. And this picture—when it went through the analyzer—generated a 3-D image of the body laying under the cloth.
Regina Meredith: Wow.
James Barrett: No other painting or picture or object, single picture, does that. This tool was created to take pictures from outer space and generate topography. Ok?
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: When that happened, it generated a lot of interest in the scientific community. And in 1978 a group that was called the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), about 24 people, went over and did all sorts of experimentation—photos, they took sticky tape. They did an enormous amount of research in about a 5-day period. All that research that they took has been studied and studied and studied. And they understand how the image was placed on—in terms of the medium. It was light or energy. And it—there’s a starch on it. And this starch literally embedded in some unique, perfect way, the image, in perfect resolution. The camera right now is capturing me in perfect resolution in a certain plane. The Shroud of Turin is in perfect resolution—the front and the back.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: Even though this cloth was laying over this body. There were coins on the eyes, flowers around the head, there’s pollen dust, there’s rock dust, there’s blood, there’s forensic evidence. There’s a wealth of material. And when you look at the whole body of material, it’s pretty consistent that this object came from the 1st century and that a man died a very violent, torturous death inside the cloth.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: The forensic evidence is clear on that.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: Ok? So, how did a man — and we can’t do it today. How did—and how come it hasn’t been done several times since then?
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: Even if it was done in the 1300’s. How come it hasn’t been done again and again and again?
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: Produce an image on a cloth. And the image is in negative; it’s not even in positive. It wasn’t until like 1898 when the photographer took the first picture of it. And when he was developing the picture in his dark room—saw the actual image arise in the negative. It’s an incredible, incredible thing. For me personally after researching it, the Shroud is intended for this period of time. The message—
Regina Meredith: And what does it tell—
James Barrett: The message that’s embedded in those—‘cause, you know, the old saying, “A picture tells a thousand words” or whatever it is, something like that. The Shroud has no words in it; it’s an image of a man laying in the posture of death. And this tradition tells us that man at that moment ascended. That’s what it says. Ok? And there’s a lot of other documentation and history that you can look into.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: But coming back to just the facts on the Shroud. The Shroud itself when you look at the science with the tools we have today, the individual who created it left it for those that would have the tools, first off, to see the real image. The cameras. Right?
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: I mean, you can’t forge all the forensic evidence and all the material on there. It’s impossible.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: It’s an—the Shroud story is the greatest mystery. I’ve stayed a night inside the Great Pyramid of Giza. I’ve gone to the pit. And it’s an amazing mystery of our planet.
Regina Meredith: (laughing) So I’ve heard.
James Barrett: But the Shroud is just beyond that because what it points to, the testament that it tells us for this time and place is that within each individual we have the ability to transcend this level of existence using awareness, having a level of remembrance of our true Self. And that’s all it really is. And from the ancient sub-Indian continent, they have traditions that talk to this directly. A science based on love and kindness and compassion and attunement that ends with a great completion. It’s called the rainbow body attainment, the wisdom body attainment. It’s called the golden body. But literally for various levels of attainment, the body will disappear.
Regina Meredith: Yes.
James Barrett: Or it’ll become uncorruptable.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm. And there are examples of this that are well-known.
James Barrett: Oh, there’s—well, in recent months…
Regina Meredith: Oh, talk about those.
James Barrett: Well, there was a monk that passed away over in New Jersey in Howell, New Jersey, and he was a Rimpoche. And I think this was in the year 2001. I might have the year wrong but I think it was 2001. And they wanted to do a puja. They wanted to burn the body there. And so they had to get everybody involved—the city officials, the fire officials and people like this. And after—I think it was four days—on the fifth day the body started to corrupt. But it was five days it was in perfect condition. No sign of corruption. The coroner and everybody said, “Nope. This man is dead.” And then they burned the body. But how did a person like Aurobindo or, you know, Yogananda (and many other examples), leave this plane of existence and their body not corrupt? There’s one really wonderful example over in Thailand. A monk passed away in ’78. He’s still sitting in the jungles of Thailand, cross-legged, wearing sunglasses today.
Regina Meredith: (laughing) Yeah.
James Barrett: Right?
Regina Meredith: These are just amazing examples.
James Barrett: Right. I mean, it’s just—how?
Regina Meredith: How. Right.
James Barrett: I mean, it’s there. It’s physically there.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: I mean, it’s not like you say it’s a kind of a mystery that you have to have faith on. You can look at it. You can measure it. The traveling Mummy Roadshow—I think it was on Discovery or maybe National Geographic, one of these stations—they went and they took this body and they did a CAT scan of it. They thought he’d been mummified. And they said, “No. He’s still got food in his belly.” Alright? That was ’78. It’s now a shrine. You can go see.
Regina Meredith: That’s a long digestive cycle.
James Barrett: Well, he’s also in the jungles where you don’t last long.
Regina Meredith: Right. Exactly.
James Barrett: I mean, you know, you dissolve pretty quick back to dust. So, these—they have a science that describes ascension. It’s pretty straightforward. If you do this, this and this. These are the goals and at the highest level, you have the opportunity to attain this.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: Jesus and many other prophets have said the same thing, and many saints since—St. Francis, St. Clare. I mean, the list goes on and on. I mean, even Mother Teresa.
Regina Meredith: Right. And the messages are always the same, very simple—
James Barrett: Right.
Regina Meredith: “Love thy brother as thyself.”
James Barrett: Well, the one in Matthew that I used in the book a lot because I’ve really—when he was asked, “Teacher, what’s the greatest commandment?” And he literally just says it the way it really is: “Love your God with all your heart, your soul and your mind.”
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: And the second thing to do is love your neighbor as yourself.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: The golden rule.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: And that’s all there is to it. That’s really the bottom line to creating this—and, the funny thing is is that now we’re showing with science and medical science the value to you personally, the well-being to you personally by doing that. And that, I think, is the message I’m trying to share is that by having altruism, feeling compassion—compassion is the only selfless emotion.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: All other emotions are rooted in the egoic Self. They are rooted in Self. Compassion is selflessness, and when you feel that, magic happens in the body. It’s just—it’s a miracle, but it’s just the way the design is. The design sets it up so that when you create this—your heart is a gland; it produces certain things. Transmissions happen. I mean, it’s truly magical what happens even at the level of the cell. Bruce Lipton—I know you’ve interviewed him.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: The environment that’s produced in the physical body and around each cell when you feel all these wonderful, God-like emotions—humility, gratitude. They set off changes within your body, physical changes.
Regina Meredith: I wanted to get to that part.
James Barrett: Ok.
Regina Meredith: DNA—changes in the DNA. You also extrapolate this about into the whole area of longevity even. How does this all fit?
James Barrett: When you feel open and receptive, loving, caring, your body—the waveform of your body produces a certain geometry, it expands. Ok? If I was to see you electrically right now, which is the phenomena that’s maintaining you in 3-D space, your waveform looks like a Taurus, a donut. It looks like an apple and that modulates slightly with each beat of your heart. Ok? When you feel open receptivity, the geometry of that waveform that goes way out from your body.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: You carry this thing; it’s at least ten feet out, measurably, from your body. That waveform, through resonance, touches all your cells. It communicates. It communicates acoustically through the heart, chemically through the heart—neurotransmitters, hormones. It communicates through the acoustic pressure waves that are created and, electrically, the signaling, and ions are generated through the cell and through the nervous system. And all these tell the body, “Ahh.” And the DNA is just like a slinky. When you feel expanded it’s expanded, and when you feel contracted it’s contracted. When your waveform is expanded your DNA is expanded, and when your DNA expands it allows the different codons to be accessed. It allows different chemical structures to be created, different proteins to be created. It changes, literally, the availability of shifting radically your cells and your body structure—the way the nervous system works. I mean, we tested many different yogis and they could do things—have pain and not show it. It wasn’t just mind over matter. They literally changed the way the nerves move through the body. They said that’s not reality to them. Like, they changed their story.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: Their story is different than the story that I have right now maybe. If I prick my finger, it hurts.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: Their story is different, so their reality is different. And when they’re coming from the soul level of perspective knowing their eternity, it doesn’t have the same value and importance to, like, protect everything and stay contracted. Survival mode. When we feel like we have to survive, we contract.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: And that changes, literally—I can’t express how radically different. Your immune system— everything alters when you feel contracted and when you feel expanded and relaxed, open and receptive, which is the signature for loving kindness, caring, that’s what the heart’s music looks like. If you feel something for a child, that’s why the Madonna and child is a symbol.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: Because when you feel that level of caring that you would feel for a child, like a mother would feel for a child, for another soul, that’s Level One compassion. When you’ve awakened to your true nature and you’re coming from that place, then you know it. You’ve experientially know that reality. And when you know that reality, deeply, you know that you’re one person. You feel deeply the suffering. I don’t feel—see, sympathy is when I feel for you. Compassion is when I feel as you.
Regina Meredith: Mm-hmm.
James Barrett: It’s different. It’s a very different state. But that’s the optimum and the idealized state.
Regina Meredith: And this is, really—all of your work is based on our understanding the true value of compassion. And all of the documentation and everything you did in this book, The Silent Gospel, is really toward that end in giving—leading us on a path or a journey through, in this case, a lot of scientific inquiry.
James Barrett: Mm-hmm.
Regina Meredith: In addition to mystical understandings to the understanding of the value of compassion and what it brings to every cell in our body.
James Barrett: It was originally in the mystical traditions, the spiritual traditions, religious traditions. Jesus, when he was dying, forgave the guys that were killing him.
Regina Meredith: Right.
James Barrett: That level of compassion, that level of knowing the Truth—big “T”, Truth—changes the way you perceive things. It opens your body to opportunities that are different. And when you hit a certain level of surrendering your identities—Self, “I”, ok?—then those are the things like I said before that are anchoring this in physicality. If you surrender it, what holds it in place? It dissolves. It dissolves in a blinding flash. It’s the easiest way to understand ascension—
Regina Meredith: That’s the Shroud of Turin.
James Barrett: Right. It’s a phase transition. When awareness shifts, literally, form shifts. And when the form shifts to the place where it relinquishes all level of identity, it surrenders. It has submission. In Western culture, the best term is “allowing”, receptive allowing. When we use the term “surrender”, a lot of us in the West get our backs up. We don’t like that. But anyway, when you get to that level of allowing, I find that it really, really changes the physicality to a place where you can let go of form. And I—my sense is right now from the science of it is that we live in a place where there’s multi dimensions. And so existent changes from this existence to another existence, but you can only get to that existence when you’re finished with this existence. So you have to surrender it all back to divinity which is your true self. You are divinity.
Regina Meredith: To learn more about James’ groundbreaking work on the subject of ascension, pick up a copy of The Silent Gospel by clicking on the link below. Meanwhile, if this is the kind of wisdom you’re looking for, you will also likely enjoy our interviews with Mitchell Gibson and Bruce Lipton. Until next time, thanks for watching.
Transcribed by: Jennifer Vogel
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